Cringe

Désolé, in English.

Dunno about you, but I find the pastor guy a bit cringe-worthy here. There seems like a touch of inauthenticity - as if he's not engaged in a conversation with Jordan Peterson, but taking advantage of his presence to 'preach' to a wider audience. A bit like those people who stand up in church and pray the latest gossip...

Or maybe he's trying to 'convert' Peterson...

Or maybe I'm too jaded.